Discussion of the Base Year in SFB

[Atrahasis]

According to one source I found:

Just remember that the base year in SFB is the year 2110, so Y171 works out to be the year 2281.

SFB base year is Y2110 so Y171 sfb = 8 sfc
SFC/OP - year 0 is 2263. Or 153 years from 2110.

Y180 sfb = year 2290 = 27 sfc
Y171 sfb = year 2281 = 18 sfc
Y163 sfb = year 2273 = 10 sfc

However, I myself have sometimes worked out that the base year is 2090.

Do as you will! ;D

[Kana]

From GURPS Prime Directive. Technology Levels Table (TL Table). TL8 Spacefaring Era (2001-2050?) TL9 Non-Tactical Warp Era (Y0-Y50). This could support your 2090 theory.

From this website: www.ogrecave.com/reviews/gurps_prime.shtml

Gamemaster's Log: Stardate 2060.5
The Star Fleet Battles setting is built around a lengthy timeline that begins in approximately 2060, when humanity first encounters the Vulcans, and runs through to about 2285. The standard notation of 'Y' followed by the year number is used throughout. The referee is free to set their games at any point along this timeline as there are no set periods or eras and this is helped by the GURPS technology levels that are used throughout, running from TL9 -- the 'Non-Tactical Warp' era to the 'X-Technology Era' of TL13, with the introduction of each level noted for all of the main races. Of course, technology in this setting is slightly different, as transporter or matter transmission is commonly available at TL 10 instead of TL 15 as is standard in GURPS. The chapter on technology not only covers shipboard and personal equipment that most characters will use, but the various pieces employed by the different races as well.

From: www.darkshire.org/~jhkim/public_html/sfb/nextgen.html

As background, SFB was originally designed to take place in the period following the original Star Trek series (this is Y156 or so on their timeline). The later Star Trek series (TNG, DS9, VOY) all take place at least 50 years in the future of any of the SFB scenarios and ships. The start of TNG corresponds to about Y250 on the SFB scale.

Also from: www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Star-Fleet-Universe

Star Fleet Universe chronology uses an Earth-based calendar (June, August, 365 days, etc.), with dates given in "Y-years". These are written as (for instance) Y168, or August Y168, and are dated to the year Earth first made contact with the Vulcans. A direct conversion to familiar Anno Domini dating is (purposefully) not given other than the fact that Y0 is somewhere between AD 2020 and AD 2100. Vulcans are a humanoid species in the fictional Star Trek universe who reside on the planet Vulcan and are noted for their attempt to live by reason and logic, with no interference from emotion. ... Anno Domini (In the Year of the Lord), abbreviated as AD or A.D. defines an epoch based on the traditionally-reckoned year of the birth (or actually Incarnation) of Jesus of Nazareth.

As this chronology was created completely separately of anything done for Star Trek after the Original Series (which at the time also avoided any hard date for when it happened), it cannot (and should not) be reconciled directly with current Star Trek canon. As an example of the incompatibilities arising from the separate evolution of the two visions of Star Trek history, the SFU defines the "five year mission" of the original Star Trek series as being from Y155 to Y160, which by Paramount's chronology would put Y0 at AD 2108; while if one accepts the definition of Y0, it should be the year of the movie Star Trek: First Contact, AD 2063. In the context of fiction, the canon of a fictional universe comprises those novels, stories, films, etc. ... The Paramount Pictures logo used since 2003. ... Star Trek: First Contact (Paramount Pictures, 1996; see also 1996 in film), is the eighth feature film based on the popular Star Trek science fiction television series.

From Starfleet Museum: www.starfleet-museum.org/timeline.htm

2063
Dr. Zefram Cochrane's experimental fusion-powered warp ship, Phoenix, makes first flight.
Possible sites of interest. They have timeline or timelines for download.

kevin.atkinson.dhs.org/timeline/
www.angelfire.com/trek/darkylvren/combined_timeline.doc
www.maplenet.net/~trowbridge/footnote.htm
www.fedtrek.com/Timeline.html
www.tcs.informatik.uni-muenchen.de/~hwloidl/ST-Timeline.html

Also found this: www.starfleetgames.com/masterindex.shtml

[Atrahasis]

Wow thanks! Some food for thought. So the precise dating is deliberately left vague, eh?

But Why does it say in the first reference you mention that the SFB timeline runs through till only 2285, which would be only Y175 if we use a base year of 2110? I've seen plenty of starting dates for SFB ships that are beyond Y175...just from the Advanced Fighters manual alone you have the Federation B-2 Bomber starting at 182 and there's some other races' stuff that starts at Y183. Is he assuming that the SFB dates start in the year of first contact with the vulcans in 2060, which would mean that an advanced plane like the B-2 would start at the year 2242...which is definitely pre-TOS times if not pre-Captain Pike times?

Yes, I know he says the SFB timeline should not be reconciled with realtrek.

But a simple solution to all of this is to assume the SFB dating system begins not in 2060 but rather in 2090 as I suggest, which makes an advanced plane like the B-2 appear in the year 2272 (TMP era) and also the first Constitution-class ship appear in 2216 at least as some kind of prototype.

The alternative if we use the base year of 2060 is to have the Connie (Y126) appear in the year 2186, the 22nd century! Even the base date of 2110 is preferable to that because that makes the first Connie appear in 2236 and the B-2 in 2292. BUT THEN AGAIN this forces the SFB timeline to speak for stuff that happens in the 2290's and a bit beyond, which is quite beyond the TOS times times that SFB is concerned with.

Again, my date of 2090 seems to solve a lot of problems.

[Kana]

Best thing to do is see what important events are similiar between sources, and see if there is a happy medium between their dates. TOS dates are supposedly Y155 to Y160 in SFB.

Here is their time line. Of course it is in Y??? dates. www.starfleetgames.com/documents/Timeline.pdf

It states that Y1 is First contact between Humans and a neighboring race (the Vulcans) as the Humans develop what will be known as Non-Tactical Warp. The Vulcans are already in contact with other space-faring races in the immediate vicinity (Andorian, Rigellian).

Item of interest: Y157 Gorn-Federation “war” starts as the result of a small incident where two brash young captains shoot first and face embarrassing questions later. Both fleets mobilize, but no space combat takes place. The Romulans attempt to disrupt treaty negotiations (SH52), but the “war” ends six weeks later with the Treaty of Algoran. The Federation apologizes for entering the territory of the previouslyunknown Gorns, while the Gorns pay reparations for the colony destroyed in a ground raid and imprison an officer who used excessive force.

The main problem is that the timelines are genre specific. If you are talking about SFB/SFC ships, then you have to use that timeline. Star Trek, a Star Trek one. FASA, etc... Trying to piece them all together is a headache.

[Kana]

2063--Zefram Cochrane makes the Earth’s first warp flight. His ship, the Phoenix, is adapted from an old U.S. Air Force Titan missile. Backed by Micah Brack and aided by Dr. Lily Sloane, the ship was built at an abandoned military base in northern Montana. The warp signature of
the Phoenix is detected by a passing Vulcan survey craft, which diverts course and stablishes contact with Cochrane and his companions. This is a turning point in Terran history, and marks the beginning of Earth’s interstellar age. [“Star Trek: First Contact”]

[Atrahasis]

You know what? Despite what realtrek says about the year of first contact with the Vulcans (2060 or so) I think SFB works on the premise that this pivitol date was in the year 2110, a full 50 years later. Since that's obviously not reconcilable with realtrek, and if we're to keep 2110 as "year zero" in the SFB timeline, I'd like to know what was so pivitol in that year that makes it a watershed.

Any ideas on what happened in 2110?

PS the UFP was formed in the 2160's or so.

[Kana]

SFB uses the Vulcan First Contact as Year One as well. With the Federation formed in Y4. Yet we can compare SFB and RealTrek with First Contact, 5 year mission (TOS) Y155-Y160, Cestus III 'incident' Kirk and Gorn Captain Y157. Plus GURPS Prime Directive, which is based on the SFB Universe states ' TL8 Spacefaring Era (2001-2050?) TL9 Non-Tactical Warp Era (Y0-Y50).' So that would put Y1 after 2050. Which mean it could be 2051 to 2100? The 2110 thing is I believe a FASA or even RealTrek reference.

[redsharif]

This may seem a little simplistic, but I would take Y205 to be 2300 and work back from there. That is, if I wanted to attempt to mate the 'official' SFB timeline with that of SFC:OP. Y205 introduced 2X ships and ushered in the 'Trade Wars'.

So Y0 would be 2095, which supports Atra's 2090 theory.

[Atrahasis]

I just compared the start years in SFC and discovered that they assume that the SFB Base Year is 2100! That's a happy medium between my date of 2090 and 2110. I like this 2100 date because it makes the SFB Dreadnoughts appear in TOS times and not 10 years later which is clearly the TMP era.

It also makes conversion from SFB dates to SFC/realtrek dates much easier because the two ending numbers of the SFB date are the same as the SFC/realtrek dates.

In a nutshell, that means that when I model the Klingon DN, I can safely make it a TOS-era/phase-2 type of style rather than full-blown TMP, which makes SFB more sacred somehow because it still speaks for mostly TOS instead of the TMP-era.

[Kana]

Also you were asking when the CA (Constitution) was in service. SFB has it at Y130. With the DN at Y167. Compared to D7 in Y135, and the D6 in Y122. Also the Fed fighters F-4 and F-8 were available in Y167. Earliest Fighters were Y134 Hydran Stinger-1, and the Kzinti AS in Y161.

If we consult the Y1 Early Years. The YCA (Republic Class) is Y79. With the Klingon D3 and D4 Y63 and Y78 respectively.

[Kana]

So what is the final consensus on this topic?

[Atrahasis]

I'd say as SFC players, we're better off to use the base year of 2100 as that's what SFC uses. VERY acceptable in my book, since that means the Battleships appear in the year 2275 which technically makes it TMP era but Phase-2 is not completely off the shelf yet. The SFB dates also become more easily readable.

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