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Post by Atrahasis on Jul 26, 2008 7:00:30 GMT -5
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Post by Atrahasis on Jul 26, 2008 7:51:20 GMT -5
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Post by Atrahasis on Jul 26, 2008 10:48:31 GMT -5
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Post by USS Mariner on Jul 26, 2008 11:03:40 GMT -5
I notice you picked up on my suggestion. Looks great in-game!
BTW, there's an error on the left side of the head. Might want to look at that.
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Post by Johanobesus on Jul 27, 2008 1:07:11 GMT -5
I really love these, especially the brightly colored bird on the one. Might you do a version for the regular WB?
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Post by Atrahasis on Jul 27, 2008 1:19:41 GMT -5
Just swap the textures called "bot.bmp" and "boti.bmp" .
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Post by Johanobesus on Jul 27, 2008 2:42:53 GMT -5
Just swap the textures called "bot.bmp" and "boti.bmp" . And warp.bmp, I didn't look closely enough at the files in the folder. I thought that the nacelles on the WB used the wing tip on bot.bmp. What is it there for? This is just a little suggestion, and you're not likely to do it now that the models have been released, but what if you played with the shape of the hull a bit more, so it didn't have the same shape as the WB? That was one reason I loved your old Snipe model. It was very clearly not a scaled down BOP. I would play around with it myself, but I'm no good with textures and the bird is too pretty to distort. I guess I could still flatten out the top, and maybe see about adding a second wing as on the old version. Don't take this as complaining. I am so grateful for these new models. Even if they never get modified the are still replacing the old model. |
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Post by Atrahasis on Jul 27, 2008 4:51:17 GMT -5
You know, if I did that then this TOS Snipe would be too similar to the original "Romulan Light Cruiser" from Klingon Academy which SFC confiscated. To give this small 46-meter ship four wings like on that model would break some rules of common sense for me. Such an arrangement would probably work better on a more important design, but for the record I did play around with that idea as I was developing this model, and chose not to go that route. The idea of the TOS Snipe, imo, is that from a distance it should be very similar to the Bird of Prey, to emulate that ship seen in "The Deadly Years".
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Post by Johanobesus on Jul 27, 2008 22:46:36 GMT -5
You know, if I did that then this TOS Snipe would be too similar to the original "Romulan Light Cruiser" from Klingon Academy which SFC confiscated. To give this small 46-meter ship four wings like on that model would break some rules of common sense for me. Such an arrangement would probably work better on a more important design, but for the record I did play around with that idea as I was developing this model, and chose not to go that route. The idea of the TOS Snipe, imo, is that from a distance it should be very similar to the Bird of Prey, to emulate that ship seen in "The Deadly Years". Or perhaps they were older hulls refitted with more advanced warp engines, and an extra wing was added because the original ships weren't capable of handling the stress of the newer nacelles. I'm just throwing that out there as a possibility. |
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Post by Atrahasis on Jul 28, 2008 6:42:09 GMT -5
That's an interesting point, but since this ship appears in 2262 and is little better than a PF, and I haven't read literature that says it was refitted from an older design like the Battlehawk and Warbird/Eagle were, I personally found the idea of four wings on it a hard sell.
Of course that doesn't mean said references don't exist...Maybe an SFB expert here can confirm whether the Snipes were refits or new-builds.
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Post by Johanobesus on Jul 28, 2008 14:52:41 GMT -5
Why does everything have to conform to SFB? If you like the idea, what does it matter that it's not in SFB? If you don't like the idea, why change your opinion just because it's in some game manual?
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Post by Atrahasis on Jul 28, 2008 15:43:50 GMT -5
Because my main goal is to represent the SFB/Canon universes. That's why an idea like a NX-ish OCL flies with me, whereas a TMP-style Chicago-class crosses the line.
Ever feel that some ideas are so stark-raving mad, ignorant, or whimsical? An example is the OPPLUS shiplist where every "+" ship is represented by a TMP-style model. They did that just for the sole sake of having lots of TMP models in the game, and for that end had to create new TMP models which look like hideous bashes. Which ARE hideous bashes. And yet the "+" refit was supposed to have been nothing more than some new phaser-3's and maybe some extra shielding and drone/add upgrades.
There are plenty of ideas out there, but it's like a sea of confusion and misconception. You need a guiding philosophy as a standard when dealing with the ST/SFB universe, because you're working within someone else's universe.
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Post by Johanobesus on Jul 28, 2008 21:41:23 GMT -5
You don't trust yourself to create your own system? I understand trying to stick to the spirit and aesthetic of SFB, but I thought house rules were an old tradition of pen and paper games. A lot of times house rules are real improvements on the original source. Look at the D&D lineage. I guess it just sort of bothered me that, after going to some length explaining why a double-winged snipe doesn't make sense to you, you indicated that you might change your mind if someone could dig up an SFB source for it. If you have your own reasoning that doesn't conform to SFB rules, then go with it.
I agree that there are lots of ships that are just stupid. I think I've mentioned my distaste of a cluttered shiplist. But that just means I get to make up my own system. I don't see how accepting one source over another just because one is published and one is fan made makes any sense. The Saladin seems like a pretty stupid and ugly kitbash to me.
But whatever inspiration keeps you making and releasing these models, go with it.
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Post by Atrahasis on Jul 30, 2008 3:38:41 GMT -5
Frankly, I think fans prefer ideas that expand upon the existing universe(s) without going on an LSD trip. Because once that happens you're in your own lonely world.
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Post by Johanobesus on Jul 30, 2008 7:54:03 GMT -5
Well, since you're on an SFB kick, how about a Hydran retexture of the D7? The D7H shows up from time to time, and I'm sick of seeing Moonraker's old K'tinga model (it's a vast improvement over Taldren's stock, but it has been surpassed by newer versions, notably WZ's), especially since in my system the K'tinga isn't a D7. It would be nice if someone with an attention to detail could do something more than just change the tint of the textures. Something like DuctTapeWonder's paintjob.
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