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Post by parislordagain on Feb 21, 2008 22:22:45 GMT -5
VERY Cool... However, if I may beg that the back-end get some more sculpting? The ship is a converted sublight design, so the impulse engines should (IMWO) more than just the dinky afterthoughts they are on most ships. This is a model that's been needed for a long time!
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Post by Atrahasis on Feb 22, 2008 0:39:59 GMT -5
Atra is an artist, and he is directed by Muse. Let him work on what he wants, when he wants, and overall you will get better models. Yes, this is 100% true and I have been a fan since his early days. I mean no disrespect to him at all. IMHO however, the current trend of model makers is to put out hundreds of Federation ships and very few non-POST TNG non-Fed ships and even fewer auxilliary/support or non-warships. What's even MORE frustrating besides waiting six months to see a model released is that Atrahasis is one of only three active model makers I am aware of that have regularly made Klingon/Romulan ships at all. Atra, Terradyhne and Wicked Zombie are even more elite because thay have made non-TOS/SFB Klingons and Romulans. The FASA to SFC collection would not have been possible without those non-federation ships. I mean what the heck is the point in having the latest uber cool fed model if you dont have equally cool non-federation ships to play against... Again, I mean no disrespect for Atra and I know this is a hobby for him and other model makers. It's like opening a Christmas present to read about a new non-Federation or auxilliary base/support ship by him. Only, I'd like to to find that they get finished and released before the next gee, golly, wiz , SFB Fed ship gets pushed to the top. Those SFB Klingon/Tholian/Romulan mobile bases will be awesome to play but I see the SFB OCL being released long before them... Just ranting. I apologize for venting here. If I didn't LOVE his work, I wouldn't bother writing about my addiction to his models at all. Best wishes, KF Hey here's a stop-gap solution: Why don't you sub-in my Feb Mobile Base model for some of the lighter starbases like the F-SBS and the F-BATS and variants like the BATS+ and BATSR. Later when the K-7 and Regula are completed you can go wild. You can find the SBS and BATS along the southern Fed border if I'm not mistaken, in the Triangle.
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Post by Atrahasis on Feb 22, 2008 1:29:44 GMT -5
Holy Cow ... For some reason, I'd have never thought of something as simple as chopping a saucer to get that shape for the primary hull ... and it works so well for a perfectly natural look ... well done! Bravo! JM. LOL Thanks! Just call me the plastic surgeon of SFC.
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Post by Atrahasis on Feb 22, 2008 1:32:40 GMT -5
Now that's what I am talking about!! The front section is terriffic. The "grill" on the leading edge of the aft section I am *not* loving. I am interested on how you are going to detail the stern and where you are putting the shuttle bay in relation to the impluse engines (unless the shuttle bay goes on the bottom?) The shuttle bay right now I'm thinking will have to be center aft, with triangular impulse exhausts glowing either blue or orangey-red, occupying two standard 7.5 feet deck heights. The very bottom of the aft hull will be very interesting as it will house an uninhabited deck for landing and planetfall equipment.
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Post by Atrahasis on Feb 22, 2008 2:50:19 GMT -5
But. . .Klingon frigates? You say? Oooohhh. someone remind me? You mean something that is not a BOP varient? (drool). Wow. wow. wow. WIP: Klingon G-2 Police ShipHe mentions not only the G2, but also an E3, E4, and F5. It does have a BOP feel to it, but the others he mentions might not. I have the entire Klingon Frigate and micro-frigate line tentatively meshed, and there seem to be quite a lot of variants if you really get into it. At least 6 or so.
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Post by Atrahasis on Feb 22, 2008 2:54:54 GMT -5
VERY Cool... However, if I may beg that the back-end get some more sculpting? The ship is a converted sublight design, so the impulse engines should (IMWO) more than just the dinky afterthoughts they are on most ships. This is a model that's been needed for a long time! Well, the back-end right now I'm thinking will have a rectangular canopy that sticks out that's two-three decks high that will be a cowl for the double hangar doors, as there is somewhat of a cowl on the Connies. On either side of that will be maybe some guidance lights and possibly drone launchers similar to the way the upper-class klingon ships have drone launchers that are next to the shuttle bays instead of in them (as the F-launchers were). Beside that will be triangular impulse engine exhuasts to simulate a 2 X 2pt impulse arrangement. If you have suggestions feel free!
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Post by zerosnark on Feb 22, 2008 8:31:54 GMT -5
Can some confirm that the CL actually could land?
I suspect the aerodynamics of this ship. . .like most ships. . would be somewhat worse that the aerodynamics of an office building.
Also. .. I believe the CL didn't get drones until the + refit. And then it was a single launcher.
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Post by zerosnark on Feb 22, 2008 8:34:23 GMT -5
I have the entire Klingon Frigate and micro-frigate line tentatively meshed, and there seem to be quite a lot of variants if you really get into it. At least 6 or so. BRING THEM ON!!!! I have small fed ships I want to blow up!
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Post by I, Mudd. on Feb 22, 2008 9:10:24 GMT -5
Can some confirm that the CL actually could land? I suspect the aerodynamics of this ship. . .like most ships. . would be somewhat worse that the aerodynamics of an office building. Also. .. I believe the CL didn't get drones until the + refit. And then it was a single launcher. "Even a brick is capable of atmospheric flight with enough thrust ..." - Jedi Master Mudd WinduJM.
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Post by Bernard Guignard on Feb 23, 2008 8:25:50 GMT -5
Nice work Atra another winner ;D
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Post by parislordagain on Feb 23, 2008 10:40:36 GMT -5
The FCL is not on the list of ships that can use either atmospheric or gravitc landing, but Mudd's right, between total conversion power systems and fool proof artificial gravity you can pretty-well do anything you like.
JMO, you should use the warp engines from the Archon as the CLO was kind of a kit-bash to begin with...
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Post by Atrahasis on Feb 23, 2008 15:53:02 GMT -5
I thought of using the Archon engines, but they are too old and represent a system that was in use long before 2220 (I believe the Archon mentioned in the TOS episode was 100 years earlier?), whereas the final major CL upgrade to the 12-pt engine was at 2220. Also, the depictions of the CL show the modern style of engine. My take on it is that it's basically a shortened version of the Connie's.
BUT THEN AGAIN...the acceleration for this ship is only 8 as opposed to the standard 10, so this would suggest an old hull with old engines, depsite the refit. It wouldn't make sense to put new fancy nacelles caapble of intense acceleration on an old hull that can't take it. But then again, why dredge out a nacelle design that is 50+ years old and put it on this ship when you can use a newer design and limit the acceleration to make it suitable with the roickety hull? There's some more thinking here that has to be done, but right now I'm leaning towards the Connie-style nacelle solution.
As for landing ability, some fan lit says the reason the hull survived for so long (150 years+) is because it made a good transport platform for rapid planetside deployment of troops and equipment. I figure why not?
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Post by lurker on Feb 29, 2008 7:52:19 GMT -5
I really like the way this ship looks! ;D
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Post by lurker on Mar 7, 2008 12:29:14 GMT -5
Bump
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Post by Atrahasis on Mar 7, 2008 16:33:47 GMT -5
I think I'll make at least two versions, the coat-less NX-era version and the coated TOS version.
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