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Post by James Smith on May 20, 2007 9:57:42 GMT -5
Right then, Mr Saxon. Theories on who he might be? A lot of people reckon he could be The Master. After all, "Mister Saxon" is an anagram of "Master No Six"....  And John Simm, who is playing Mr Saxon, would be the sixth actor to play The Master if that was the case.... A brief reference to Saxon was also found in Torchwood - a poster saying "Vote Saxon" was seen in the episode "Captain Jack Harkness". And the tank that fired on the Racnoss ship in the '06 Christmas episode was ordered to do so by Mr Saxon. Hmmm. Can't wait to see how this all resolves itself.... |
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Post by Atrahasis on May 23, 2007 2:09:53 GMT -5
Btw, is Tennant planning to quit any time soon? Because if we're going into Season 4 and he's still the Doctor, he'll have signed for three seasons which is one of the longer Doctors.
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Post by James Smith on May 23, 2007 4:18:05 GMT -5
Three to four years is about the average. Hartnell and Troughton both played the role that long, Pertwee did it for four years, Tom Baker for seven (!), Davison and Colin Baker for three, McCoy for a very long time if you count the gap between the end of the series at the '96 TV movie.
RTD has confirmed that there will be a 4th series, but neither her nor David will confirm that he'll be continuing as The Doctor. I hope he does though, as I think he's been brilliant in the role. I can't see him lasting quite as long as Tom Baker did though.
They're going to have to start being mindful of which number they're up to soon though - if we go into Series 4 with an 11th Doctor, he's only got two more regenerations left.
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Post by Atrahasis on May 23, 2007 8:53:33 GMT -5
The way it's going, I bet you the goal is to use up all the remaining regenrations ASAP so that Billie Piper or somebody can step in and play the first female Doctor with a fresh set of regenerations.
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Post by James Smith on May 23, 2007 9:20:36 GMT -5
The way it's going, I bet you the goal is to use up all the remaining regenrations ASAP so that Billie Piper or somebody can step in and play the first female Doctor with a fresh set of regenerations. I reckon people took that quote from Billie a tad too seriously In Doctor Who canon it certainly seems possible to give a Time Lord a new set of regenerations - The Master was promised that in "The Five Doctors", and being the clever bloke that he is he would presumably know if it was possible or not. With Gallifrey (and presumably the Eye Of Harmony, which seems to be the source of the Time Lords' powers) gone, perhaps it would no longer be possible for the Doctor to gain a new set. But hey, they might yet bring Gallifrey back.... Personally, I'd settle for finding out if Susan survived the Time War....the fact that she was left on Earth helping the rebuilding effort after the Dalek invasion seems to have been forgotten..... |
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Post by Atrahasis on May 23, 2007 10:47:52 GMT -5
There were actually A LOT of extraneous Time Lords hanging around the universe, many of them on Earth. Do you remember "Planet of the Spiders", the Pertwee-Baker regen story, where Choji or whatever his name was (the monk-like guy) was a Time Lord, and in another form he was a mentor to the Doctor at some time in the past. Well what happened to him?
Romana herself is in N-Space and did not get out of there in the canonverse at least.
Then there's the Rani...
And did Omega die?
And who or what were the White and Black Guardians if not Time Lords?
Tom Baker ran into Morbius's brain, but he's presumably dead.
Am I missing anyone?
And I bet you the Doctor will eventually have to turn into a being that alternates gender when (s)he regenerates.
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Post by Atrahasis on May 23, 2007 11:03:07 GMT -5
The way it's going, I bet you the goal is to use up all the remaining regenrations ASAP so that Billie Piper or somebody can step in and play the first female Doctor with a fresh set of regenerations. I reckon people took that quote from Billie a tad too seriously In Doctor Who canon it certainly seems possible to give a Time Lord a new set of regenerations - The Master was promised that in "The Five Doctors", and being the clever bloke that he is he would presumably know if it was possible or not. With Gallifrey (and presumably the Eye Of Harmony, which seems to be the source of the Time Lords' powers) gone, perhaps it would no longer be possible for the Doctor to gain a new set. But hey, they might yet bring Gallifrey back.... Personally, I'd settle for finding out if Susan survived the Time War....the fact that she was left on Earth helping the rebuilding effort after the Dalek invasion seems to have been forgotten..... I don't think they'll bring Gallifrey back, because part of the writing for this show is to find ways to handicap the Doctor. Basically I get the feeling that even having his sonic screwdriver is too much of a crutch already. Then they also have to figure out new ways he can't get at his TARDIS to prevent him from just blowing the joint if there's trouble. Did you catch what they did to K-9 in Sarah Jane's Adventure? He's there but he's so out of the picture it's not funny, because he's too much of a crutch. He's "alone in the universe" without the Time Lord or Gallifrey backing, which has the potential to make him rely on his interpersonal relationships more, which is why we see romance evolving this time around. But about the Eye of Harmony....All I remember about it is that it's a big dome that opens up in the cloister room of the 8th Doctor's TARDIS, which the Master of course was sucked into. Where does one go if sucked into the Eye...if the Eye is something like God, do you go to someplace so outside of space-time it's not funny? And if so did the Master "meet his maker", and moreover did the "Maker" see fit to send him back somehow? You remmeber that Black Guardian/White Guardian deal? There is a balance of forces in the universe that must be maintained, which means if the universe is sentient (as I believe it is in the Who universe), that means as long as you have a Doctor you need a Master. Imagine The Master being sent back by the Universe itself! ;D Now, imagine the Yin-Yang Taosim kind of philosophy we're getting into with this...if the Universe is created by opposing forces, that means if the Time Lords are brought back (and Gallifrey itself) it hinges on the actions of not just the Doctor but his nemesis as well. Now THAT would be a great story arc that has "all of creation" imbedded into it. |
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Post by James Smith on May 23, 2007 11:22:12 GMT -5
There were actually A LOT of extraneous Time Lords hanging around the universe, many of them on Earth. Do you remember "Planet of the Spiders", the Pertwee-Baker regen story, where Choji or whatever his name was (the monk-like guy) was a Time Lord, and in another form he was a mentor to the Doctor at some time in the past. Well what happened to him? Cho-je. He vanished at the end of "Spiders" as I recall, 'Cheshire Cat' style. Maybe he's at one with The Force. Oops, wrong universe. I would assume that TPTB have forgotten entirely about him to be honest.... Romana herself is in N-Space and did not get out of there in the canonverse at least. Indeed, although she became President of Gallifrey in the extended universe that the books and audio adventures portrayed. I would guess that she is out of the picture and safe in N-space with K9 Mk II. At least I think it was K9 Mk II. I get confused with that damn tin dog. Mk I stopped with Leela on Gallifrey, then The Doctor built Mk II which travelled with him. He gave Sarah a crated-up K9 when they parted as well which I assume is K9 Mk III, which then got blown up in "School Reunion" and rebuilt as K9 Mk IV. Argh. Headache. I doubt she is anywhere near as good at surviving as The Doctor and The Master. She won't have lasted in that universe. Omega's last appearance in Doctor Who TV canon was in "Arc Of Infinity" (a 5th Doctor story). He's still in the anti-matter universe. And who or what were the White and Black Guardians if not Time Lords? They never confirmed that one way or the other did they? I wonder. Tom Baker ran into Morbius's brain, but he's presumably dead. Yeah. Tom's Doctor gave him hell in that 'brain fight' (I think they called it a "mindbending contest"?), and the body he was inhabiting then went over a cliff being chased by The Sisterhood. Don't think so. Oh, of course - The Meddling Monk of the Hartnell era. Given that he was a contemporary of the 1st Doctor it is possible he died a long time before the Time War anyway depending on which regeneration he was up to. And I bet you the Doctor will eventually have to turn into a being that alternates gender when (s)he regenerates. I have some measure of (possibly extremely foolish) faith that RTD wouldn't do something so brainless ;D |
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Post by Atrahasis on May 23, 2007 11:22:20 GMT -5
Another thing I've always wondered about are all those aliens who were "more powerful" than the Time Lords. The most powerful example in my memory is Su-Tek from "Pyramids of Mars", whom Baker said could wipe out even the Time Lords with his mental energy. If memory serves he was part of a race that was one of those "beginning of the universe" older races like the Spider-lady, along with the Time Lords. So you have an early universe that was filled with what I personally refer to as "Titans", and the Time Lords would be among them.
Now, presumably only the Time Lords had mastery of space-time, because none of these other Titan races displayed anything like that.
My comment is this: The Time-Lords were responsible for a LOT of genocide, weren't they? I mean they came out top dog out of all these Titan races, and these other races were scarey sons of bitches!
I seem to recall mention of the Time Lords being "barbaric" in the early days, like in "The Five Doctors" they explained the Time Lords liked to watch gladiator-style fights, I imagine Roman-style.
I don't know about you, but exploring that aspect of Gallifrey in maybe another series would be cool! Time Lords at war and not so civil.
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Post by James Smith on May 23, 2007 12:01:07 GMT -5
I reckon people took that quote from Billie a tad too seriously In Doctor Who canon it certainly seems possible to give a Time Lord a new set of regenerations - The Master was promised that in "The Five Doctors", and being the clever bloke that he is he would presumably know if it was possible or not. With Gallifrey (and presumably the Eye Of Harmony, which seems to be the source of the Time Lords' powers) gone, perhaps it would no longer be possible for the Doctor to gain a new set. But hey, they might yet bring Gallifrey back.... Personally, I'd settle for finding out if Susan survived the Time War....the fact that she was left on Earth helping the rebuilding effort after the Dalek invasion seems to have been forgotten..... I don't think they'll bring Gallifrey back, because part of the writing for this show is to find ways to handicap the Doctor. Basically I get the feeling that even having his sonic screwdriver is too much of a crutch already. Then they also have to figure out new ways he can't get at his TARDIS to prevent him from just blowing the joint if there's trouble. Did you catch what they did to K-9 in Sarah Jane's Adventure? He's there but he's so out of the picture it's not funny, because he's too much of a crutch. He's "alone in the universe" without the Time Lord or Gallifrey backing, which has the potential to make him rely on his interpersonal relationships more, which is why we see romance evolving this time around. When they got rid of the sonic screwdriver for the first time during the 5th Doctor era it was for exactly that reason - it was seen as a 'get out' clause whenever The Doctor was trapped, and John Nathan-Turner wanted rid of that clause. On one of the "Doctor Who Confidential" eps, RTD remarked that he didn't want something as mundane as a locked door to hold The Doctor back, hence bringing back the SSD. But I think they've taken it a bit far - it's a lock picking device, a scanner, a weapon, a device for repairing barbed wire.....just a bit too silly really  But about the Eye of Harmony....All I remember about it is that it's a big dome that opens up in the cloister room of the 8th Doctor's TARDIS, which the Master of course was sucked into. Where does one go if sucked into the Eye...if the Eye is something like God, do you go to someplace so outside of space-time it's not funny? And if so did the Master "meet his maker", and moreover did the "Maker" see fit to send him back somehow? The Eye Of Harmony is the nucleus of a black hole. Omega was a solar engineer who was trying to find a power source for Rassilon's experiments with time trave. He tried to harness the power of a supernova, using the Hand Of Omega, which collapsed into a black hole sending Omega into the anti-matter dimension of the universe. The Master could well have been spat out of the Eye somewhere else in the universe in a different dimension to the anti-matter one. You remmeber that Black Guardian/White Guardian deal? There is a balance of forces in the universe that must be maintained, which means if the universe is sentient (as I believe it is in the Who universe), that means as long as you have a Doctor you need a Master. Imagine The Master being sent back by the Universe itself! ;D Now, imagine the Yin-Yang Taosim kind of philosophy we're getting into with this...if the Universe is created by opposing forces, that means if the Time Lords are brought back (and Gallifrey itself) it hinges on the actions of not just the Doctor but his nemesis as well. Now THAT would be a great story arc that has "all of creation" imbedded into it. That would indeed be interesting....it would need some seriously good writing to take full advantage of the premise, but it would make utterly wonderful TV if done right. |
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Post by James Smith on May 23, 2007 12:21:49 GMT -5
Another thing I've always wondered about are all those aliens who were "more powerful" than the Time Lords. The most powerful example in my memory is Su-Tek from "Pyramids of Mars", whom Baker said could wipe out even the Time Lords with his mental energy. If memory serves he was part of a race that was one of those "beginning of the universe" older races like the Spider-lady, along with the Time Lords. So you have an early universe that was filled with what I personally refer to as "Titans", and the Time Lords would be among them. Now, presumably only the Time Lords had mastery of space-time, because none of these other Titan races displayed anything like that. My comment is this: The Time-Lords were responsible for a LOT of genocide, weren't they? I mean they came out top dog out of all these Titan races, and these other races were scarey sons of bitches! I seem to recall mention of the Time Lords being "barbaric" in the early days, like in "The Five Doctors" they explained the Time Lords liked to watch gladiator-style fights, I imagine Roman-style. I don't know about you, but exploring that aspect of Gallifrey in maybe another series would be cool! Time Lords at war and not so civil. Indeed. The Time Lord history, from what we know, is first one of utter brutality (the era that spawned The Death Zone) followed by complete non-interference. In fact, non-interference to the the point of complete stagnation. Look at "The Deadly Assassin" for what the Time Lords had become.... I'd be seriously interested if they worked elements of the so-called "Cartmel Masterplan" into the series. The DW novel "Lungbarrow" details a lot of the elements of it, but basically it ties into the history of The Doctor and explains why he is more than 'just' a Time Lord. There were three founding members of Time Lord society as we know it - Rassilon, Omega and someone known only as The Other. They led the Time Lords following the overthrowing of the cult of Pythia, which had held control of Gallifrey up until that point. The last act of the Pythia was to render the population of Gallifrey sterile. Rassilon created genetic 'looms' in order to ensure the continuation of the Time Lord race. These machines would 'weave' new Gallifreyans out of extant genetic material. Omega died while using the Hand Of Omega to harness the power source that would become the Eye Of Harmony - in fact, Rassilon may have misled Omega into taking on the task, as it was in reality a suicide mission. Rassilon harnessed the Eye, and became a virtual dictator. Realising that as Rassilon's rule became more oppressive his own days were numbered, The Other took action. His granddaughter Susan (ooh, major plot point!) was the last child to be born naturally on the planet. He too steps to make sure she stayed safe, sending her to the spaceport to get off Gallifrey. He then committed suicide by throwing himself into the looms, mixing his own genetic material into the banks. A long time passed (eons in fact), and the looms were integrated into the Great Houses Of Gallifrey (the houses mentioned in "Assassin"). The Time Lord who would become The Doctor was born. Disenchanted with Time Lord society, he stole an obsolete Type 40 TARDIS to go see the universe. Inside the TARDIS, he found the Hand Of Omega had followed him on board recognising him as one of it's creators. Although travelling back to the Old Time was forbidden, the Hand over-rode the locks on the TARDIS and took The Doctor back in time to that period. There, he found Susan. She recognised him as her grandfather, and he realised that it was true despite never having her - the implication of course being that he was The Other reincarnated by the looms. He then took her with him to explore the universe. That would make for interesting viewing if they ever decided to use it.... |
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Post by Atrahasis on May 24, 2007 3:58:22 GMT -5
How about this....what if The Other was a woman! I hope Billie's listening. |
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And John Simm, who is playing Mr Saxon, would be the sixth actor to play The Master if that was the case....
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