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Post by Atrahasis on Aug 11, 2008 18:27:31 GMT -5
Preliminary shots of what I will probably call the USS Revenge NCC - 1001. Now before y'all go off on me on the name, here's what the SFB shiplist says: GCA CRUISERS: 1001 Revenge, 1002 Warspite, 1003Tuqareg, 1004 Stalwart, 1005 General Teloma Monora, seven others numbered between 1006-1016. So ships like the Reshadije, Constellation, and Republic are not of this class, though they may once have been, but by the modern era they have been refitted up to the "modern look". The GCA on the other hand is just the YCA with refitted weapons and apparently not much of a cosmetic change, hence the NX-style look. Note the non-tapered nacelles, which are basically larger Burke engines as per the deck plans. These engines generate 12 pts each, so they are a far cry from the 15 of the modern era. Note these will probably be the engines I put on the OCL. Still deciding on the look of the impulse engine. Note the bottom of the saucer will be ridged like the NX. As always, thoughts and opinions welcome, even if you hate it!
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Post by Atrahasis on Aug 11, 2008 19:02:21 GMT -5
A better shot showing this is basically an NX saucer but without the sensor dish at the front nor the catamarans attached to it. The main difference with the later Constitution saucer is that the NX's is just one deck thick at the rim...otherwise they're about the same size.
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Post by USS Mariner on Aug 11, 2008 20:07:04 GMT -5
May I ask the reason for the insanely heavy aztecing for the GURPS ships? I know it's how they're portrayed, but it's awful.
As for the engines, why not use the Archon's? They're 13pt as I recall, and look a million times better to boot.
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Post by Atrahasis on Aug 11, 2008 20:32:18 GMT -5
Well, the way I see it is the early ships were "bare metal" and made of something with a bronzy tint, and the metal effect is more convincing when there's high contrast. Otherwise they just look like painted hulls. But your point is taken, perhaps the contrast is too high and needs to be subdued. Also, I just remembered that the NX-02 Columbia was whiter than the NX-01, so perhaps that's the style to follow.
I shall do a study to see the feasability of using the Archon's engines, but first I want to get the basic SFB depiction of this ship right. I think the ships though are somewhat far apart in the time line, with the YCA entering service in 2179 (more than a decade after the Romulan War) and the Archon much later, possibly early 23rd century though I'd have to check on that. Remember the Archon is supposed to be the ship some of the Connie class were directly uprated from ("Heavy Cruiser Evolution Blueprints"). Anyways, considering the YCA's date, the engines would have to look more similar to the NX's.
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Post by USS Mariner on Aug 11, 2008 20:55:01 GMT -5
I wouldn't worry so much about the color as I would the texture. I hated the white Columbia. Having a bronze ships was one of the few things ENT did well.
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Post by Terradyhne on Aug 12, 2008 2:51:12 GMT -5
seems that the only retrofit this got is the refit Constitution like bridge and i to think that the aztecing is to heavy and i even don't like this NX-Enterprise like look because even the original NX-Enterprise look sucks for me i just don't like this look, your older TOS ships texture look i like much more maybe you could use a more greyish tint than this bronze finish to get a better look like having just a white hull.
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Post by Atrahasis on Aug 12, 2008 6:26:40 GMT -5
The aztecing is more subdued now. I'm thinking I should do something special with the pylons.
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Post by Chrystoff on Aug 12, 2008 12:07:26 GMT -5
I like this new, more subtle azteking. She'll really stand out from other ships.
So, dumb question: What is the role of an F-GCA? Is it an extremely limited role, or can an F-GCA take on traditional heavy cruiser activities like deep space exploration? Or is it a ship that was simply brought out of "mothballs" to fill a lesser role like destroyer/escort duty?
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Post by Atrahasis on Aug 12, 2008 13:14:27 GMT -5
The "national guard" ships are ancient hulls taken out of mothballs, refitted a bit, to serve patrol duties. Module R8 "System Defense Command". The Klingon equivalent of the F-GCA is the K-LD4 which of course I've already made.
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Post by USS Mariner on Aug 12, 2008 14:46:54 GMT -5
Any ideas for the secondary hull?
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Post by Atrahasis on Aug 13, 2008 12:41:11 GMT -5
Put some pylons on. Made more "patches" on the hull instead of aztec.
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Post by Atrahasis on Aug 13, 2008 14:03:47 GMT -5
Darkened it up a bit and did a better render, to see if the hull colors and textures would pass for something that evolved out of the NX.
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Post by Terradyhne on Aug 14, 2008 14:13:48 GMT -5
it maybe a dumb question, but why do you want it to look NX class like, it maybe an old cruiser but it don't need to look like it's old
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Post by Atrahasis on Aug 14, 2008 15:17:00 GMT -5
The cover of Module R8 shows the ship, it looks like what I'm trying to do here.
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Post by Chrystoff on Aug 14, 2008 16:34:24 GMT -5
Atra, I'm really starting to like this F-GCA. I'm generally not comfortable with adding my 2 cents (I'm no modeler), but what do you think about adding some exposed areas (ala re-imagined BSG)? Just some exposed areas where it may not be crucial to have hull plating, and makes it easier for engineers to gain access/service quickly? You know, "Ah, it's just a National Guard Cruiser. Give the good stuff to the ships of the line."
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